Les plus grosses ficelles sont toujours les meilleures. C'est le côté "humanité" de l'humain, ou le contraire, je sais pas trop...

Mis à jour par O. le 10 juin 2003 à 14:30

Qui doute encore du cynisme nazi ?
Enfin bon, j'espere que le sous-entendu de ton extrait n'est pas de dire que la guerre c'est une affaire de nazis, quand meme...

Gemp, je te fais le meme coup, en d'autres termes:
"Les nazis ont fait la guerre et ont occupe, par consequent ceux qui font la guerre et qui occupent sont des nazis"

Meuh non, je sais que t'a pas dit ca, gemp. C'est pas un pacifiste aussi pur qui ferait dans le sophisme. C'est juste en filigrane...

Vous sentez, l'odeur ?

Mis à jour par boq le 10 juin 2003 à 15:30

Boq, tu cherches des problèmes là où tu as envie d'en trouver.

Mis à jour par O. le 10 juin 2003 à 16:11

Oui je sais, je me fais des idees...

Mis à jour par boq le 10 juin 2003 à 16:21

Je m'incline bien bas. Je n'ai franchement pas le niveau pour participer à des discussions d'une telle profondeur. Merci pour ces enrichissants commentaires.

Mis à jour par gemp le 10 juin 2003 à 17:09

Aujourd'hui, c'est encore plus facile: La télé est là pour abrutir, désinformer et faire croire les pires mensonges.

Mis à jour par nathalie le 10 juin 2003 à 21:31

"Tout ce que vous avez à faire c’est de leur dire qu’ils sont attaqués et de dénoncer les pacifistes de manque de patriotisme, exposant leur pays au danger."

C'est exactement comme ça au USA.

Inlassablement, Bush a répété que Saddam devait désarmer. Il a dit aussi beaucoup de conneries pour justifier la guerre en Afghanistan. Et comme il est un très bon acteur...

Triple WOW et merci pour ton article.

Mis à jour par Qu'on se le dise ! le 10 juin 2003 à 23:27

"Tout ce que vous avez à faire c’est de leur dire qu’ils sont attaqués et de dénoncer les pacifistes de manque de patriotisme, exposant leur pays au danger. Cela marche de la même manière dans tous les pays.”"

Avec un incendie du Reichstag(*)sous forme de Projet Northwood(*)facon 9/11 en guise de "Hors d'oeuvres" ????

(*)http://www.herodote.net/histoire02270.htm
(*)http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/

Mis à jour par redspliff le 11 juin 2003 à 02:26

Avec un incendie du Reichstag(*)sous forme de Projet Northwood(*)facon 9/11 en guise de "Hors d'oeuvres" ????

Mais oui... Je me fais VRAIMENT des idees...

Mis à jour par boq le 11 juin 2003 à 09:36

"Mais oui... Je me fais VRAIMENT des idees..."

Des idées comme Mindy Kleinberg(*)Kristen Breitweiser(*)ou Mary Fetchet(*) ?????

(*)

Secretary of Defense
The Secretary of Defense, was at his desk doing paperwork when AA77 crashed into the Pentagon.
As reported, Secretary Rumsfeld felt the building shake, went outside, saw the damage and started helping the injured onto stretchers. After aiding the victims, the Secretary then went into the 'War Room'.
How is it possible that the National Military Command Center, located in the Pentagon and in contact with law enforcement and air traffic controllers from 8:46 a.m. did not communicate to the Secretary of Defense also at the Pentagon about the other hijacked planes especially the one headed to Washington? How is that Secretary of Defense could have remained at this desk until the crash? Whose responsibility is it to relay emergency situations to him? Is he then supposed to go to the war room?
President
At 6:15 a.m. on the morning of 9/11, my husband Alan left for work; he drove into New York City, and was at his desk and working at his NASDAQ Security Trading position with Cantor Fitzgerald, in Tower One of the WTC by 7:30 a.m.
In contrast, on the morning of September 11, President Bush was scheduled to listen to elementary school children read.
Before the President walked into the classroom NORAD had sufficient information that the plane that hit the WTC was hijacked. At that time, they also had knowledge that two other commercial airliners, in the air, were also hijacked. It would seem that a national emergency was in progress.
Yet President Bush was allowed to enter a classroom full of young children and listen to the students read.
Why didn't the Secret Service inform him of this national emergency? When is a President supposed to be notified of everything the agencies know? Why was the President permitted by the Secret Service to remain in the Sarasota elementary school? Was this Secret Service protocol?
In the case of a national emergency, seconds of indecision could cost thousands of lives; and it's precisely for this reason that our government has a whole network of adjuncts and advisors to insure that these top officials are among the first to be informed--not the last. Where were these individuals who did not properly inform these top officials? Where was the breakdown in communication?
Was it luck or No Fault Government
Is it luck that aberrant stock trades were not monitored? Is it luck when 15 visas are awarded based on incomplete forms? Is it luck when Airline Security screenings allow hijackers to board planes with box cutters and pepper spray? Is it luck when Emergency FAA and NORAD protocols are not followed? Is it luck when a national emergency is not reported to top government officials on a timely basis?
To me luck is something that happens once. When you have this repeated pattern of broken protocols, broken laws, broken communication, one cannot still call it luck.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/witness_kleinberg.htm

(*)KRISTEN BREITWEISER:

I think what really initially started was I saw the picture of the president in, I think it was “Newsweek” or “Time” magazine, and I read the caption. And the caption said, you know, “Andy Card telling the president about the second plane.” And then I read that he proceeded to read for 25 minutes to the 2nd-graders. He was in a Sarasota school that morning for a reading program.
And I read it again, and I thought it was, you know, misreported. And it wasn’t, and I got upset. I said, you know, this nation was under attack. It was clear that we were under attack. Why didn’t the Secret Service whisk him out of that school? He was on live local television in Florida. The terrorists, you know, had been in Florida. I mean, we find out that out now. He was less than 10 miles from an airport.
DONAHUE: Right.
BREITWEISER: And I-I am concerned. I want to know why the Secret Service did not whisk him away. I want to know why he is the commander-in-chief of the United States of America, our country was clearly under attack, it was after the second building was hit. I want to know why he sat there for 25 minutes.

http://intelligence.senate.gov/0209hrg/020918/breitweiser.pdf

(*)

I CHALLENGE the Commissioners, staff and all those involved in the success of this commission to approach this important inquiry with the same manner that Brad approached life. To approach it with an open mind and with integrity. Above all with a sense of urgency and a full commitment to the time and energy that will be necessary to do a complete and thorough job. It is your MORAL responsibility to leave no stone unturned. The commission will only be successful if it has the full support of the administration and government agencies. It must begin with an executive order which encourages full disclosure from all government agencies. OUR NATION DESERVES FOR THIS COMMISSION TO BE DIFFERENT. We want answers to our questions. We want recommendations. Despite the cost we want follow through and we want accountability. You are accountable for the success of this commission.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/witness_fetchet.htm

Mis à jour par redspliff le 11 juin 2003 à 15:22

Je me souviens des réactions affolées des Palestiniens que je fréquentais (j'étais à Gaza le 11 septembre 2001) qui venaient à moi dans la rue et qui me disaient : "c'est pas nous, c'est pas nous !"

J'en souris maintenant... à l'époque on avait le trouillomètre à zéro.

Mis à jour par O. le 11 juin 2003 à 16:43